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Nonduality Talk Radio Shows


Produced and hosted by Jerry Katz

Broadcast on ckdu.ca on Wednesdays at

9:30am – 10:30am PST

12:30pm – 1:30pm EST

1:30pm – 2:30pm AST (Nova Scotia)

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September 17 To be announced

September 24 Vicki Woodyard

October 1 David Newman (Durga Das), kirtan chant artist, sacred singer/songwriter, practioner and educator of Bhakti Yoga, author of The Timebound Traveler  (Non-Duality Press)

November 5 Francis Bennett

Name Index & Chronological List of Shows Continue reading

#5252 – Interview with Donnalou Stevens

Edited by Jerry Katz

DONNALOU STEVENS is a songwriter/performer living in San Francisco, currently best known for her song and video Older Ladies:

Her new song, If I Were Enlightened, is premiered on this show.

My co-host is MIKE HIMELSTEIN, a songwriter living in Los Angeles who writes for tv, movies, and recording artists, and has his own group, the Rumble Bees.

We talk about Donnalou’s journey to self-discovery and the art of songwriting and play songs from each artist.

Donnalou’s songs may be purchased at www.cdbaby.com/cd/donnaloustevens
Her other websites are

Mike’s website is www.rumblebees.com

Tracks and Songs (Songs are in bold)

0:00 – 10:36 Introduction to Donnalou Stevens and Mike Himelstein. Donnalou talks about her journey to where she’s coming from now. Her psychological and creative journey. Living with pain. Considering suicide. Spiritual search. The day everything turned around for her. The significance of curiosity. Donnalou speaks of her album Closer Than Near. (Oops, I called the title Closer Than Here, sorry!)

10:36 – 14:39 – The song Closer Than Near, by Donnalou Stevens is played, from the album Closer Than Near.

14:39 – 23:11 We talk about Closer Than Near. Donnalou writing and performing her songs and how she gained confidence. Recognizing her deficient self and dealing with it. Talking about taking responsibility for writing songs that point toward what’s true: love underneath the deficiency story.

23:11 – 27:22 Do people have to go through some kind of journey to be successful in songwriting? Mike responds from his experience and journey. Mike talks about Johnny Winter recording his song Hey You.

27:22 – 30:03 The song Hey You, by Johnny Winter, written by Mike Himelstein is played, from the album Let Me In.

30:03 – 31:04 We talk about writing Hey You and getting it recorded.

31:04 – 34:22 Donnalou talks about the story of writing Older Ladies and what she comes from empowerment in her songwriting.

34:22 – 37:12 – The song Older Ladies is played, by Donnalou Stevens, from the album Closer Than Near.

37:12 – 38:46 Mike talks about Older Ladies, and Donnalou responds, talking about the video.

38:46 – 41:48 Donnalou talks about meditation, what it is, how it is, in her view. Writing the song If I Were Enlightened.

41:48 – 45:03 The song If I Were Enlightened, by Donnalou Stevens is played, its world premiere.

45:03 – 54:30 We talk about If I Were Enlightened. Donnalou talks about her creative process in making videos for the songs. Donnalou talks about upcoming songs and using Kickstarter to fund her videos and songs. Donnalou talks about touring and performing in theaters; her live show being interactive and uplifting. Some kibbitzing to end the show. Mike talks about his song God’s Gift To The World, music by Terry Sampson, lyrics by Mike Himelstein.

54:30 – 1:01The song God’s Gift to the World, sung by Carl Anderson, is played. Apologies for ending the song abruptly as we had to go to the next show. Final words.  Jerry Katz is not actually a musician of any sort, contrary to what is said! That was just a little local humor not meant to be serious. The song If I Were Enlightened is played to conclude the show.

Songwriters On Nonduality Talk Radio Wednesday, Sept. 10…

Edited by Jerry Katz

Nonduality Talk radio upcoming show…

Wednesday, September 10,  12:30pm EST at www.ckdu.ca …

My guest will be Donnalou Stevens, probably best known for her viral video Older Ladies.

On the show, Donnalou will be showcasing her new song, If I Were Enlightened, which I think will go viral too because it’s even funnier and better than Older Ladies! (Well, that’s like saying She Loves You is better than I Want To Hold Your Hand.)

Here are some pics from the video shoot of If I Were Enlightened:



Joining me as co-host is songwriter Mike Himelstein.

The question is, Are these guests nondual in any way? The answer is yes.

Donnalou is a former facilitator of Scott Kiloby’s inquiries, so she knows the nonduality game. Her life hasn’t been a bowl of cheery videos either. She writes, “This seemingly tragic journey became so intense and the physical pain so difficult to bear, I walked around for two months deciding whether to take my life or dedicate it to figure out how to love it.”

Mike wrote one of the most nondual and beautiful songs ever, God’s Gift, which has been recorded by many people including these:

Join these funny, profound, and incredibly talented people on Nonduality Talk radio, Wednesday, Sept. 10, at 12:30pm EST on www.ckdu.ca. Put it on your calendar now!

#5251 – Vicki Woodyard’s New Book, Bigger Than The Sky

Edited by Jerry Katz


Vicki Woodyard‘s new book, Bigger Than the Sky: A Radical Awakening, is available at

The ebook is available here:

Both versions will be on Amazon in the next few days.

Read a generous excerpt.

I wrote the foreword. Only a small part was used. The full version says a lot more and may be read here.

I’ll be interviewing Vicki on Nonduality Talk radio on September 24.


#5250 – Interview with Justin Forrest Miles

Edited by Jerry Katz

Justin Forrest Miles (photo with significant other and daughter) is a hip-hop music artist and heads up the Miles Institute of Integral Living as CEO/Licensed Therapist. The Miles Institute is a human services agency that utilizes Integral Philosophy in providing individual and family therapy, diagnostic assessments, referrals, substance abuse counseling, meditation instruction and preparedness training.

Justin Miles’ Facebook page is www.facebook.com/justin.miles.5209?fref=ts
Justin’s blog is at hiphopaliveandwell.blogspot.ca/


0:00 – 13:39 Introduction to Justin Miles. Justin talks about his journey to understanding hip-hop and covers some history of hip-hop starting with the late 80s. Starting around ’87 hip-hop was seen as a force for bringing people together. From 87-94 Justin saw this as an ethnocentric period for hip-hop. Around 1994 was hip-hop’s second golden era in which the relationship between hip-hop, rap, beatboxing and other activities became clarified. In 2000 Justin studied in the Netherlands and had a life-turning experience. Afrika Bambaataa discussed. The understanding that hip-hop is not other than the nature of reality. Actualizing awareness of self, other, and the world. Yet hip-hop is viewed as devoid of higher qualities. Justin’s interest in using all the elements of hip-hop toward knowing the Self. Looking at the essence of hip-hop.

13:39 – 29:21 Significance of hearing Justin’s telling of his experience and the hip-hop education. History of hip-hop. Afrika Bambaataa in the early 70s; seezulunation.com/. How the different elements of hip-hop evolved. “Hip-hop doesn’t exist.” Hip-hop prior to its major commercialization — 1973-1987 — and its enlightened and egoic sides. Hip-hop as a way out.

29:21 – 40:48 Practical applications of Hip-hop artistry and theory. Justin’s program Hip-Hop Alive in which he worked with youth on creative writing and music production. Using freestyling as a way to enter into discussion with a young person’s issues. Psychotherapy that is unique to Black culture. Using hip-hop information as part of Justin’s diagnostic assessment: at which level does a client experience hip-hop? and other questions. Example of working with a client. DJing as deep connecting.

40:48 – 46:01 Justin talks about his music. Playing the song Rhythmystic feat. Ascience Gnown and the Ether Orchidstra: J-who-worldwise – Rhythmystic-feat-ascience-gnown-and-the-ether-orchidstra

#5249 – The Happiness That Needs Nothing, by Colin Drake

Edited by Jerry Katz

I’m always pleased to announce one of Colin Drake‘s new books. I no longer publish Colin’s books. He’s since been discovered, interviewed on Conscious.TV, and excerpts from his works are appearing in various books. Colin now publishes his books himself.

Colin writes in his recent newsletter…

Dear Fellow Explorers, Here are the contents, chapter synopses and a review (by Ramaji, author and teacher) of the new book, ‘The Happiness That Needs Nothing’. Love, Colin


Introduction 3

Prologue – The Happiness That Needs Nothing 17

One – Self-identity – The Key to Spontaneous Living 24

Two – The Joy of Embodiment 31

Three – Detachment or Engagement? 41

Four – Non-attachment and Love 46

Five – Vigilance, Mindfulness and Fun 52

Six – Witnessing, Experience and ‘The Spiritual’ 57

Seven – Unanswerable Questions 65

Eight – Partial Truth and Direct Communication 71

Nine – ‘Gratitude is Heaven Itself’ 75

Ten – Joy Without a Cause 81

Eleven – Desire and The ‘Dark Side’ 86

Twelve – Strong Desires and Addictions 92

Thirteen – Unavoidable Pain Vs Mental Suffering 98

Fourteen – ‘The Kingdom of God’ 104

Fifteen – Loving the Beloved 111

Sixteen – Different Paths Up The Mountain 117

Seventeen – Consciousness, a Definition 126

Eighteen – Balancing Worldly Life & Nurturing The Spirit 132

Nineteen – The Dance of Awakening 140

Twenty – Combating Depression by Repeated Awakening 147

Twenty one – The Agony and Ecstasy of Awakening 155

Twenty two – Nonduality and Christianity 161

Twenty Three – Seeing is Believing 168

Appendix One – Investigation of Experience 174

Appendix Two – Instruments of The Absolute 184

Addendum – Love Loving Itself 189

The Author – A short spiritual biography 200

Glossary 203

Bibliography 205

Chapter Synopses

The Prologue discusses how awakening to the fact that one is Pure Awareness reveals the peace within and the innate joy of existence as an instrument (and expression) of Consciousness. This evokes the happiness that needs no particular set of external circumstances to manifest.

Chapter one attempts to show that when one is identified as (and with) Pure Awareness there are many wonderful outcomes which allow us to live authentically and spontaneously. This is achieved by giving a précis of many chapters of previous books, each of which discusses one of these outcomes.

Chapter two discusses the joy of using the body/mind as an instrument through which Consciousness can participate in, and enjoy, its’ manifestation – the world.

Chapter three continues this theme by discussing whether it is preferable to engage fully with life or to stay detached so that one’s equanimity is not disturbed.

Chapter four was written in answer to a question concerning how one could love whist staying non-attached to life. As such it continues the theme of the previous two chapters.

Chapter five discusses the difference between vigilance and (maintaining) ‘mindfulness’ and attempts to show how, although aiming for the same result, they produce very different lifestyles. As such this chapter is a continuation of the main topic under discussion since the beginning of the book … that of enjoying life.

Chapter six is a dialogue with a reader of my previous books who had just undergone an ‘awakening’ which left him with a series of questions.

Chapter seven is my answer to a series of questions concerning karma and reincarnation – which were unanswerable by direct investigation. Thus any answers given would only be my beliefs (or dogma) and as I don’t operate in this paradigm I could only say that I don’t know.

Chapter eight discusses the fallout from the previous chapter when a supporter of mine became involved in a disagreement with the partner of the questioner concerning (me saying only the) ‘partial truth’. Whereas, if the questioner had contacted me directly we would have been in complete agreement … for there is always more (Truth) to be discovered as what is under investigation is limitless!

Chapter nine considers the paradox that gratitude arises even when one realizes that there is no separation, and thus no ‘other’ to be grateful to.

Chapter ten is my response to John Wren Lewis describing God as ‘Joy Without a Cause’. As The Absolute is often caused ‘The Causeless Cause’ and we are expressions and instruments of That, the realization of which gives great joy, then John’s description is very apt.

Chapter eleven is my response to a reader who said that he had not found much written, in spiritual books, about the nature of desire and was wondering about my ‘take’ on the subject.

Chapter twelve is a continuation of this topic when considering strong (overwhelming) desires and addiction.

Chapter thirteen is a dialogue with a reader of Beyond The Separate Self concerning the difference between unavoidable (mental) pain and unnecessary suffering caused by misidentification.

Chapter fourteen considers how awakening and discovering ‘The Kingdom of God’ (that is within us all) overcomes worrying about the future and also renders needless questions concerning karma and death.

Chapter fifteen is an updated practice based on ‘Love Loving Itself’ (see addendum) in which one engages all five senses simultaneously.

Chapter sixteen is a response to a good friend, who runs a Christian meditation centre, regarding her analogy that we are at different ‘coal faces’ of spirituality such that my pointings are of not much use to those mining her ‘face’ … It is also a general discussion of the ‘negative mystical path’ in the world’s major religions.

Chapter seventeen is an attempt to define the undefinable – Consciousness – to give a definition of consciousness which is a cogent conclusion based on reason and modern science and can be directly experimentally verified by one’s own investigation.

Chapter eighteen was the result of noticing the levels of tiredness and exhaustion among those I know, which are often needlessly self inflicted. This discussion is about achieving a balance between engaging with the world and nurturing the ‘spirit’.

Chapter nineteen is an email exchange with a reader which details her ‘dance’ with awakening, or yo-yo as she puts it. I have include it for it is a fairly typical account, which I think many can relate to and I have added a few comments at the end.

Chapter twenty is an email discussion with a reader who has a tendency to suffer from depression, concerning whether identification with, and as, Pure Awareness – awakening – has the potential to combat this problem.

Chapter twenty one is an email exchange with a newly awakened reader highlighting the joy that can occur on awakening and the efficacy of re-identifying with Awareness.

Chapter twenty two was stimulated by the graduating address given by the principal of a theological college which led me to examining the resonances between Christianity and Nonduality.

Chapter twenty three posits that ‘ direct seeing’, which leads to understanding is of more importance than spiritual experiences, although these may sometimes lead to that. It also contains a very concise and clear way of seeing that ,at the deepest level, one is Awareness.


BOOK REVIEW OF “THE HAPPINESS THAT NEEDS NOTHING” BY RAMAJI JULY, 2014 Colin Drake’s new book “The Happiness That Needs Nothing” is a spiritual self-help manual in the best sense of the word. Nothing is kept mysterious.Colin’s writing is like one of those guides for budding magicians where a famous illusionist reveals the true secrets of his famous tricks. The naked simplicity of the exposition is what takes the breath away. Unlike some who seem to think that the fact of awareness or an experience of awareness being aware of awareness is enough, Colin takes it the full 100 yards and makes an enlightenment touchdown. He does not let up until you, the reader, have had a chance to grasp the essence in a way that is compatible with your particular personal perceptual filters. I especially like Colin’s emphasis on happiness. I’m pretty sure that Ramana Maharshi answered numerous questions with words to the effect “If realizing the Self did not yield the greatest happiness, what would be the point? Happiness is what we human beings yearn for!” His Holiness the Dalai Lama is known for repeatedly affirming the same message. Teachers at a lesser level emphasize other things. It is, perhaps, because they themselves are not actually happy! Colin’s emphasis on happiness arrives at the right time. Enough already with teachers who have a reached a cosmic consciousness or non-dual awakening of some kind where they still kick the dog, sneak out on their wife for sordid affairs and do not practice basic human virtues like kindness or telling the truth. Happy people do happy things. For one thing, they enjoy loving and being loved. Colin does a great job of bringing all of this home to the reader. We are human beings after all. Everything has Buddha Nature, even rocks, but the Buddha Nature of human beings flowers as love, peace, happiness and joy, even the sweet joys of the senses. I am thrilled to see Colin emphasizing this fundamental day to day truth about authentic awakening and the solid realization of the Absolute. Call this attainment what you like, it is important to understand that it fulfills the deepest yearnings of the human heart. That makes Colin’s book a great service to non-dual readers who, perhaps misled by moody enlightened misfits like the late U. G. Krishnamurti, could not understand what all the noise is about. Well, folks, what the noise is about is being truly happy — and Colin points the way with a smile.

If you are interested in more articles, poems, or all formats of books, including in the new book, The Happiness that Needs Nothing – Pointers to That which is Always Here , these may be found at  http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/ColinDrake. If you wish to purchase a book always check www.lulu.com for discounts/sale prices which Lulu is constantly offering.

Also all of my books are now available in Kindle format from www.amazon.com and as Ibooks from the Apple store.

For more information and an enlarged profile visit www.amazon.com/author/colin_drake

And my interview with Conscious TV is viewable athttp://bcove.me/im07untp

To join my email group and receive (free) all new articles and poems as they are posted just email me at colin108@dodo.com.au