#5296 – Cecilia Weiss

Cecilia Weiss is a wife, mother, author and editor. She lives in Auroville, Tamil Nadu, India where she is an active participant in the Auroville Nondual Meetup Group, whose primary facilitators are her husband Didier Weiss, who I interviewed here, and Anamika Borst, who was interviewed here.

Cecilia edited Anamika’s book, Life At Zero Distance, and is currently editing a book by Didier on nondual teachings. Cecilia has written books for young learners of French through the simple and complex vowel sounds of the French language (Rimes et assonances en Français / Phonics in French). Cecilia spoke from Besançon, France, where her daughter is receiving medical attention for Tourette syndrome.

In this passionate and authentic sharing we talk about her daughter’s struggle with Tourette syndrome, and the journey to actualism and headlessness via experiences with the Finders Course.


00:00 – 07:07 Music by Prosad. Introduction to Cecilia Weiss. Cecilia’s daughter’s struggle with Tourette syndrome discussed.

7:07 – 12:03 Enjoying spending three months in Besançon, France. Hearing thunder and rain. How Cecilia and Didier found themselves living in Auroville, India. Moving through life in response to what comes and what is right and ripe.

12:03 – 16:00 Cecilia’s childhood known by an innate sense of happiness which has sustained throughout life. More rain in the background! Responding to life. Recent discovery of the sense of how life and events are impersonal.

16:00 – 19:23 Experiencing an earthquake of understanding when attending the Science and Nonduality Conference in 2012 (SAND2012). Value of listening to podcasts of teachers.

19:23 – 24:06 Times prior to the ripeness for SAND2012. A miscarriage and meeting Ramesh Balsekar around 2000. In current times importance of listening to interviews as reminders to just be, let things go, no need to go into the story of the poor me.

24:06 – 25:19 Value of the Auroville meetup group. Being this being-ness.

25:19 – 29:25 Reviewing experience with Ramesh. In-person meetings with Unmani and Karen Richards and their influence. Rupert Spira’s help in clarifying what this is all about.

29:25 – 36:13 Discovering the Finders Course as a resolution to her remaining misconceptions about waking up. Concerns that the Finders Course could require a degree of letting go that would interfere with day to day life. The drowning of the me.

36:13 – 37:39 Release of life energy when the “baggage” is unloaded.

37:39 – 43:18 What does the Finders Course do? Actualism. Let’s you find what resonates with you to bring clarity.

43:18 – 46:39 Unlearning. Abandoning what blocks clarity. Finders Course further discussed.

46:39 – 49:00 The headless way and riding a bicycle or running or whatever is happening.

49:00 – Life after the Finders Course. Writing what comes. Full of wonder. Editing nondual books. Desire to share that one can be happy. Concluding words. Music by Prosad.

Finders Course: https://www.facebook.com/finders.course
Auroville Nondual Meetup Group: http://www.meetup.com/Auroville-Nondual-Meetup-Group/
Tourette Syndrome: http://www.tsa-usa.org/Medical/whatists.html
Phonics in French: http://www.amazon.com/Cecilia-Weiss/e/B00MCDG1XS

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Random hand of cards 26/06/15

by Cecilia Weiss

Like a castle of cards
the “me” falls apart and disintegrates
when it is Seen and Known
once and for all
that the “me” castle is imaginary,
only and simply made of cards
ruffled and reshuffled
according to the Law of Chances
so utterly and completely at random.

The cards may come out of their box,
be dealt and cut in neat stacks
and reshuffled
any number of times.

And the card castle may tumble
at any now
any number of times.

The cards remain unconcerned and unaffected
while in turn standing in the air,
leaning against one another
or piled up like a small mess all ruffled up
while waiting for the next reshuffling
or going back to their deck.

It is a no brainer.
Playing happening.
This is no master mind and no headache.
No losers, no winners.
No winning, no losing.

It would never come to a castle’s mind
to blame or to praise the Law of Chances
that takes a chance each time it plays its laws
according to some divine plan
the cards may not conceive,
for how could they?

Each castle gets a deck of cards to play with.
Random order…

Only IT is constant in any random hand of cards
and remains the same
whether a King or the Queen, a Jack or a Joker
an Ace or any significant or insignificant number…
whatever the suit club, diamond, heart or spade.

What is IT?
The back of the cards.

#5295 – Beverly Lewis

Beverly Lewis is a singer in Halifax, Nova Scotia, currently best known for her karaoke performances at the Lions Head pub and tavern.

Beverly sings about four songs (actually CD tracks with guitar backing).

The following topics are discussed:

What do you love about karaoke?

What makes Laurie the Guy’s karaoke special?

Karaoke as community.

Beverly’s background, singing as a child and teenager. Member of Nova Scotia Mass Choir. Singing gospel.

Influence of the African-Canadian community.

Medical crisis and how that changed Beverly’s creative course to become a filmmaker.

Beverly’s start in karaoke and her current experience.

Beverly’s grandmother Bubba and her influence.


Losing her virginity.

Jerry Katz and Mary-Jean co-host.

#5294 – Nurit Oren

Nurit Oren lives in Budapest, Hungary where she lives with her Hungarian husband Gabor Harsanyi who lectures all over Hungary and who is Nurit’s spiritual guide.

Her story is summarized in a few short videos:


A more detailed version of her story and revealings from presence will appear soon in her upcoming book, The Blind Leading The Blonde On The Road To Freedom. The website for Nurit’s and Gabor’s work which includes the videos, is https://silentroargh.wordpress.com/


00:00 – 02:25 Introduction.

02:25 – 07:25 The thirst for freedom. Being in the Israeli army. Reading Herman Hesse’s Siddhartha. Learning that all knowledge is outside, not inside. Nature of the dualistic mind. Desire to know truth. Moments of truth.

07:25 – 12:25 Value of a teacher in exploring and staying with the moments of presence. The experience of false gurus and experiences with them.

12:25 – 16:14 “The mind does not want true peace but something inside us does.” Some people pursue spiritual experience and adventure rather than truth itself.

16:14 – 18:48 Pursuing both the entertainment aspect of spirituality and the true aspect at the same time. The false guru is detrimental because concepts are taught rather than experience being made available.

18:48 – 24:18 Being grounded in your own being and living from there. Relationship with an unawakened teacher. What does it mean to live “that way?” Speaking and living from presence rather than mind. Allowing yourself to feel the inner presence.

24:18 – 29:10 Nurit talks about Gabor as having the ability to awaken presence and to protect you from your own mind. The mind doesn’t do a good job of “running the show” and tends to resist what Gabor or another teacher like him is awakening.

29:10 – 32:06 Nurit talks about her upcoming book, The Blind Leading The Blonde On The Road To Freedom. Nurit’s initial meetings with Gabor and how she resisted, and what she was drawn to.

32:06 – 34:35 The spiritual ego. Seeing Gabor again after two and one-half years, from a place of non-resistance.

34:35 – 38:10 A peace that is not even an experience. Chasing spiritual experiences.

38:10 – 42:04 Losing the home ground of presence and regaining it. Being with and embodying the body,emotions, thoughts, allowing them to be there.

42:04 – 45:18 Talking about what Nurit liked and found difficult about writing her book. Helping the reader avoid false teachings.

45:18 – 49:07 Gurus are making a lot of money these days. But some of it helps and is real. “If it’s an outer impression that dazzles you it’s not good enough.” It’s simple. You already have it. This life is like a game in which we are given distractions and have to figure out what the home ground is.

49:07 – Brief chat with Gabor Harsanyi.

#5293 – Israel Sushman

Photo: Nancy Murray and Israel Sushman

Israel Sushman lives in Los Angeles where he is a social media marketer and experiences an eclectic spiritual life. His website is www.isushman.com. We talk about Israel’s spiritual journey, who and what appeals to him and why.

00:00 – 07:07 Opening music by Prosad www.prosadmusic.com. Introduction to Israel Sushman. Israel’s recent meeting with Amma www.amma.org and his experience with her beginning in 1988. How Israel met her. Bringing Amma to Los Angeles. How his Jewish traditon bears on understanding the energy of Amma.

07:07 – 14:00 Israel’s early life and experiences. Enjoying going to synagogue as a child. Open nature of Jewish religion in which he was brought up. College interests and activities in the late 60s. Psychedelic. Ram Dass. Timothy Leary.

14:00 – 18:00 Moving to Israel. Discover of Ram Dass’ Be Here Now. Desire to go to India leads to two month journey from Istanbul through other countries and into India.

18:00 – 25:58 Living in Swami Muktananda’s ashram. Power of Muktananda, experiences, and opinions. Muktananda’s guru Nityananda mentioned.

25:58 – 26:56 Returning to the United States in 1973. Living in New Mexico. Following Muktananda throughout the U.S. Wanting the high of being with a guru is like being on a drug. Scandals with Muktananda.

26:56 – 28:53 Leaving Muktananda’s group and getting into the totally opposite direction of drugs and partying. Chasing the high. Nondual approach of accepting what is.

28:53 – 33:25 Moving back into the Muktananda ashram in order to get sober. The desire for a special experience. 12-step program, family, work, spiritual explorations. Relationship with Amma.

33:25 – 40:56 Reviewing Israel’s history. Illness leading to his discovery of and relationship with Leonard Jacobson www.leonardjacobson.com. Israel’s eclectic interests.

40:56 – 44:38 Israel’s Rabbi discussed: Rabbi Mordecai Finley www.rabbifinley.com/. Appeal to the mind. Identification with ideas as a detriment.

44:38 – 55:00 Experience at AA, at synagogue, with Ammaji people, with various groups. Israel’s work in social media marketing. Judaism offering Eastern-like spiritual studies. Concluding remarks. Closing music by Prosad: www.prosadmusic.com/

Israel Sushman: www.isushman.com

#5292 – Leonard Jacobson

Leonard Jacobson “teaches that the fully awakened state of consciousness is available now. It is not something that occurs in the future. It is already here, waiting to be revealed. As you awaken into the present moment, your thoughts will stop, your mind will fall silent, and you will awaken to an inner silence and peace that is beyond understanding. You will begin to encounter what the mystics and Masters have been speaking of for centuries.” His website is www.leonardjacobson.com

00:00 – 04:55 Opening music by Prosad: http://www.prosadmusic.com. Introduction. When Leonard began teaching and how he travelled around teaching. “I just kept responding to invitations.” Presently in International Falls, Minnesota, on vacation.

04:55 – 06:38 No need to prepare for his talks or for some of my interviews, including this one.

06:38 – 10:47 Leonard’s partner Mary. Have the questions from seekers changed over the years? There’s an opening happening in human consciousness today. Responsiveness of people in China and Japan. Leonard’s teaching activity in China, how it is done, and how it interfaces with Chinese national concerns.

10:47 – 18:29 Leonard’s two part teaching, a two step dance of awakening. The art of presence is step one, and step two is “bringing conscious awareness to all the ways you are pulled out of the moment.” Coming into right relationship with ego so that we can live our lives day to day more fundamentally present. “Both steps are essential for true awakening.” The nature of thoughts as allowing us to escape the present moment which is desire because in the past the present was difficult. “Thinking is the greatest addiction.”

18:29 – 21:11 The essence of awakening and nonduality. What is revealed at the very deepest level of presence. “Oneness is here. Truth is here.” Why seeking doesn’t work. “The worst is those who are seeking nothingness.”

21:11 – 23:07 Leonard is asked what people want from him and what he offers. Value of being present with someone who is awakened and who offers a way. The teaching has to be extremely simplified. “It’s time to awaken.”

23:07 – 25:20 How is the presence of an awakened person different from the presence of a tree? Leonard’s initial awakening spontaneously happened in nature. Being present with compared to presence as a concept. Presence is beyond understanding and this is difficult for people to get. Letting go of the need to understand. Knowing from presence or as presence.

25:20 – 31:11 Leonard’s initial and further awakenings further explored. The nature of awakenings and experiences. Integration of each awakening. I ask Leonard why, if he never pursued awakening, does he caters to people who do pursue awakening. The I Am presence as pure consciousness beyond form and beyond content. Leonard’s experiences of heaven on earth. God as “The silent presence at the very heart of all things present.”

31:11 – 32:58 There’s nothing wrong but we’re almost all lost in unconsciousness. There’s a need for those who could guide the lost into a place of presence where we are not lost. We don’t need anything else, no religion.

32:58 – 37:11 The art of interviewing and how I find it hard to interview some awakened people. “We have to keep finding the right question that draws out what might be of value.” Pizza discussed. Diet. Small talk.

37:11 – 40:09 Relationships. The value of a relationship is companionship. Relationships are extremely difficult. A relationship as a way of speeding up awakening. The relationship is like a mirror. A relationship based in presence is looking for someone to here with you rather than for you. I ask about Leonard’s relationship. “For the most part I don’t have feelings or issues coming up.”

40:09 – 45:30 Being “like” an awakened person. If you’re present a few minutes every day your life will transform. “When you’re present you are love … acceptance … compassion.” The qualities flow through you and transform your life. If you develop negative, limiting impressions and beliefs early in life they determine the experience of the rest of your life and you will attract people and situations that confirm these beliefs. The question, Who are you?

45:30 – 51:23 What I seek in interviews: talking to ordinary people about their passion and who they fundamentally are. Leonard’s response. The nature of the current interview and the interviews I like to do. “You’re a very unique interviewer … and I really get it.” Some people are naturally present.

51:23 – 56:00 How this interview came together. Leonard as a focused guy. Conclusion. Leonard reviews his two step teaching. Closing music by Prosad: http://www.prosadmusic.com.