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Nonduality Talk Radio Shows


Produced and hosted by Jerry Katz

Broadcast on ckdu.ca on Wednesdays at 12:30pm – 1:30pm EST (e.g., New York City)
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September 24 Vicki Woodyard author of Bigger Than The Sky: A Radical Awakening.

October 1 David Newman (Durga Das), kirtan chant artist, sacred singer/songwriter, practioner and educator of Bhakti Yoga, author of The Timebound Traveler  (Non-Duality Press)

October 8 James Parker believes magic is a serious art because it questions the very foundations of human perception. On another note, James is an International Policy Advisor who has been working with NGO’s and the Government on energy and climate change.

October 15 Tomaj Javidtash, author of “Non-dual Perspectives on Quantum Physics: A Layman’s Guide”

October 22 Monica Cassani (Part 2)

October 29 Anamika, reports from the Science and Nonduality Conference, and talking about her first book.

November 5 Francis Bennett, a spiritual teacher in the contemporary, Non-Dual spiritual Tradition. Francis offers a blend of the Buddhist Traditions he deeply studied, the contemplative Christian mystical tradition which he lived during his many years in monastic life, as well as the Hindu Advaita-Vedanta teaching of Sri Ramana Maharshi, who has been a very profound influence on Francis for about the last 12 years or so.

November 12 Fred Davis, founder of The Living Method of Awakening, an extraordinarily successful process of inquiry, investigation, and direct pointing that encourages immediate recognition of our shared True Nature.

November 19 Sandy Woods writes that she is “an artist and the owner of Celestial Song a lovely little boutique and art gallery in Ojai California. I also publish all books and material by William Samuel, as his Trustee, Literary Executor it is my joy to be able to continue sharing his brilliant and liberating message. … As Mr. Samuel asked me to do; We are going to try to make a statement of Truth that even those who have never heard of non- duality, those who have no interest in spiritual ideas, including the philosophical materialist, and also those of any religion will be unable to misinterpret.”

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#5253 – Interview with Monica Cassani

Edited by Jerry Katz

Monica Cassani‘s renowned website is www.beyondmeds.com. We talk about the possibility of living without psychiatric medications, the implications, and Monica’s personal story of withdrawal from meds.


0:00 – 4:35 Introduction to Monica Cassani. Monica talks about the possibility of living without psychiatric medications and the need to sometimes live with them to some degree. The nature of safe withdrawal.

4:35 – 11:21 The radical decision to stand up to the authority of psychiatry. Non-compliance: care and support needed, especially from the psychiatrist. “It shouldn’t be viewed as non-compliance.” It should be a right to get off drugs or to explore an alternative. Currently, people don’t have a choice. There’s no infrastructure to support options to standard psychiatric care.

11:21 – 15:20 Monica’s attempt to educate people as a first step toward building the infrastructure, with an emphasis on solutions. Programs that support non-medicinal approaches. Self-care with meditation and other avenues. Challenge in building infrastructure while allowing for wide flexibility.

15:20 – 18:00 Nature of finding a psychiatrist that will support “non-compliance.” “It’s inherently coercive to say ‘This is your only option’ to a vulnerable person.

18:00 – 23:58 The massive journey toward getting off psychiatric medication. It’s not for everyone. There’s a wide spectrum of motivations and experiences associated with coming off drugs and so one has to be careful about following someone else’s journey. Monica talks about how getting off meds is associated with her spiritual and human awakening and what she was like prior to that, including her work as a social worker and what was revealed to her about psychiatry.

23:58 – 35:19 Society doesn’t want to feel, thinking life has to be happy. Being non-compliant is about taking responsibility. Monica’s story starting from high school years. Response to psychedelics treated as illness rather than spiritual emergence. Completing the journey mostly by herself even while seeking help and putting up with demands of psychiatry. Changing social work direction toward mental illness and learning about the right to autonomy. Her work life while on meds. The nature of Monica’s healing then and now.

35:19 – 40:07 The withdrawal process as a dark night of the soul. Monica’s withdrawal experience described. Like “normal” anxiety on steroids. Now all the radical reactions are healed.

40:07 – 43:30 Monica’s husband’s support during her withdrawal period. Nature of coming out of the withdrawal, including how it is happening in the present day.

43:30 – 47:37 Monica holding the gap between people off meds and still taking meds. The need to look differently at people labeled mentally ill, especially by the spiritual community. Conclusion.

47:37 – 53:00 Song “I Am Free” by Prosad. www.prosadmusic.com/

Monica Cassani www.beyondmeds.com

#5252 – Interview with Donnalou Stevens

Edited by Jerry Katz

DONNALOU STEVENS is a songwriter/performer living in San Francisco, currently best known for her song and video Older Ladies:

Her new song, If I Were Enlightened, is premiered on this show.

My co-host is MIKE HIMELSTEIN, a songwriter living in Los Angeles who writes for tv, movies, and recording artists, and has his own group, the Rumble Bees.

We talk about Donnalou’s journey to self-discovery and the art of songwriting and play songs from each artist.

Donnalou’s songs may be purchased at www.cdbaby.com/cd/donnaloustevens
Her other websites are

Mike’s website is www.rumblebees.com

Tracks and Songs (Songs are in bold)

0:00 – 10:36 Introduction to Donnalou Stevens and Mike Himelstein. Donnalou talks about her journey to where she’s coming from now. Her psychological and creative journey. Living with pain. Considering suicide. Spiritual search. The day everything turned around for her. The significance of curiosity. Donnalou speaks of her album Closer Than Near. (Oops, I called the title Closer Than Here, sorry!)

10:36 – 14:39 – The song Closer Than Near, by Donnalou Stevens is played, from the album Closer Than Near.

14:39 – 23:11 We talk about Closer Than Near. Donnalou writing and performing her songs and how she gained confidence. Recognizing her deficient self and dealing with it. Talking about taking responsibility for writing songs that point toward what’s true: love underneath the deficiency story.

23:11 – 27:22 Do people have to go through some kind of journey to be successful in songwriting? Mike responds from his experience and journey. Mike talks about Johnny Winter recording his song Hey You.

27:22 – 30:03 The song Hey You, by Johnny Winter, written by Mike Himelstein is played, from the album Let Me In.

30:03 – 31:04 We talk about writing Hey You and getting it recorded.

31:04 – 34:22 Donnalou talks about the story of writing Older Ladies and what she comes from empowerment in her songwriting.

34:22 – 37:12 – The song Older Ladies is played, by Donnalou Stevens, from the album Closer Than Near.

37:12 – 38:46 Mike talks about Older Ladies, and Donnalou responds, talking about the video.

38:46 – 41:48 Donnalou talks about meditation, what it is, how it is, in her view. Writing the song If I Were Enlightened.

41:48 – 45:03 The song If I Were Enlightened, by Donnalou Stevens is played, its world premiere.

45:03 – 54:30 We talk about If I Were Enlightened. Donnalou talks about her creative process in making videos for the songs. Donnalou talks about upcoming songs and using Kickstarter to fund her videos and songs. Donnalou talks about touring and performing in theaters; her live show being interactive and uplifting. Some kibbitzing to end the show. Mike talks about his song God’s Gift To The World, music by Terry Sampson, lyrics by Mike Himelstein.

54:30 – 1:01The song God’s Gift to the World, sung by Carl Anderson, is played. Apologies for ending the song abruptly as we had to go to the next show. Final words.  Jerry Katz is not actually a musician of any sort, contrary to what is said! That was just a little local humor not meant to be serious. The song If I Were Enlightened is played to conclude the show.

Songwriters On Nonduality Talk Radio Wednesday, Sept. 10…

Edited by Jerry Katz

Nonduality Talk radio upcoming show…

Wednesday, September 10,  12:30pm EST at www.ckdu.ca …

My guest will be Donnalou Stevens, probably best known for her viral video Older Ladies.

On the show, Donnalou will be showcasing her new song, If I Were Enlightened, which I think will go viral too because it’s even funnier and better than Older Ladies! (Well, that’s like saying She Loves You is better than I Want To Hold Your Hand.)

Here are some pics from the video shoot of If I Were Enlightened:



Joining me as co-host is songwriter Mike Himelstein.

The question is, Are these guests nondual in any way? The answer is yes.

Donnalou is a former facilitator of Scott Kiloby’s inquiries, so she knows the nonduality game. Her life hasn’t been a bowl of cheery videos either. She writes, “This seemingly tragic journey became so intense and the physical pain so difficult to bear, I walked around for two months deciding whether to take my life or dedicate it to figure out how to love it.”

Mike wrote one of the most nondual and beautiful songs ever, God’s Gift, which has been recorded by many people including these:

Join these funny, profound, and incredibly talented people on Nonduality Talk radio, Wednesday, Sept. 10, at 12:30pm EST on www.ckdu.ca. Put it on your calendar now!

#5251 – Vicki Woodyard’s New Book, Bigger Than The Sky

Edited by Jerry Katz


Vicki Woodyard‘s new book, Bigger Than the Sky: A Radical Awakening, is available at

The ebook is available here:

Both versions will be on Amazon in the next few days.

Read a generous excerpt.

I wrote the foreword. Only a small part was used. The full version says a lot more and may be read here.

I’ll be interviewing Vicki on Nonduality Talk radio on September 24.