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JP Writes to Nonduality Salon Members, to Everyone

March 1, 2010

The following was sent by JP to the Nonduality Salon forum:

My first grandson was born six months ago.
Our entire family is overjoyed at his arrival.
My daughter and her husband are experiencing the
joys, worries and responsibilities of new parenthood.

From the immense ocean of existence, wave upon
wave of life appears for a few brief seasons upon the
shore of this world. Countless generations lived
before him. Ancestors from Greece, Italy, Armenia,
Egypt, Ireland, Cornwall. My partner is Indian, with
ancestors from Gujarat. From diverse cultures,
they survived, with amazing resilience. Through war and
devastation, famine and plague, peace and prosperity.
Mariners, artisans, merchants, scholars, illiterates,
land owners, peasants, nobles and ignobles.

With each new birth, in each successive generation,
life is renewed. To simply be alive is a miracle and wonder.
You witness this miracle in your little one, every day.

http://www.naturalchild.org/james_kimmel/human_baby.html

I hope you can acknowledge the
miracle of your own existence, which includes
the heartaches and struggles that life
inevitably brings to each and every one of us.

My beard has now turned silver with age.
A few decades (at best) remain until
the sandcastle of my body dissolves back
into the ancient sea. The years pass so
swiftly, though there are times when life
seems unbearably long.

I write to you, like an aging grandfather
writing a handwritten letter to his distant
granddaughter, offering a few words of
encouragement as you bravely move through
your difficult time of transition; as you struggle to
fulfill your many responsibilities as mother,
guide and friend to your beloved child; as you
learn to trust your innate wisdom
to further guide you along the way.

With sunrise, another day of repetitive tasks
and heavy responsibilities awaits you, until
sunset arrives again. Another dawn, another
another day, with a few precious hours to sleep
and rest, before it all begins again.

How to find courage, how to survive, how to
how to endure, how to pay the bills, how to
parent wisely, how to heal anxiety and depression.
how to handle the next crisis, how to make it through
another day without falling apart, while often feeling
utterly alone and bereft.

These are the pressing questions asked by
millions of people, by parents, and especially
by new separated or divorced moms or dads.

Not the questions of how to understand some
ultimate meaning of existence, how to decipher
esoteric mysteries, or how to become enlightened.

You have come across the notion of ‘nonduality’,
here on this NDS list. There are a few voices here
who repeatedly post the more extremist, nihilistic
versions of nonduality, in which there is absolutely
no ‘you’, no ‘me’ and no ‘others’; in which all
phenomena is mere illusion; in which you are but
a passive, helpless observer of thoughts and
events that you do not control and cannot manage.

Children go through various stages of
physical, mental/cognitive, emotional
and social development. Jean Piaget was a
pioneer in this research:

http://www.learningandteaching.info/learning/piaget.htm

Could you imagine telling your son that he is
nothing; that he doesn’t exist at all; that you
and he are illusion; that the world is utterly unreal;
that he cannot manage his emotions or thoughts; that
others are only characters in a movie or video game;
that he doesn’t need any social skills; that everyone
else is him?

Could it be that some of the more extreme notions
of nonduality are expounded by persons who may be
stuck in idealized early stages of development?

They offer these extremist, passive,
dehumanized, nihilistic notions as some kind of ultimate
panacea for the many complex problems of daily
living and relating. You may have already noticed
that the extremist views are entirely conceptual,
and rarely if ever relate to the details of daily
living.

When reading these extremist notions, you may
wonder if the writers know something very special
and extraordinary that you do not know, and that
perhaps, maybe, if you could just ‘get it’, your
life would be magically transformed and all
distress and anxiety would evaporate like dew on
morning grass.

This is the ‘carrot of ultimate peace’ dangled
in front of the anxious human being; the shining
pot of gold at the end of a rainbow, promising
the confused person easy riches of calm, wisdom
and compassion. This carrot is but a sludge of
rotted turnip and that pot of gold that is but a
heap of rusted metal.
Fortunately, there is no magical, ultimate cure-all
to permanently dispel all anxiety on this, or any,
internet list. The work of becoming aware,
skillful and wise is the long work of a lifetime.

There is however, your innate bravery to move
through the seemingly overwhelming challenges
of life, with steady progress and many setbacks along
the way, day by day.

There is your innate courage to bear mental and
emotional discomfort and anxiety; to
discover that mental and emotional discomfort
can be endured, without panic.

There is your innate resilience, as you go through
difficult experiences.

There is your growing wisdom, which discovers
that you are not a victim, but
rather, you are the now one who is fully
responsible for your own actions and their
consequences and for the quality of your
life and the life of your son.

Mistakes, many mistakes, must be
made along the way. All opportunities to learn,
adapt and make wiser decisions.

Last week, my youngest son talked about
how good it is to learn from mistakes. He
said he recalled what I had told him
numerous times. “It is a foolish man
who cannot learn from his own mistakes.
It is a wise man who can also learn from
the mistakes of others.” I learned that
from my Greek mother who is now dead. She
learned it from her grandmother, who in
turn heard it spoken from her grandmother.
Small, golden stands of hard earned wisdom
passed along through the resilient generations.

Life will reach out to you, in the form of
different personalities. As you also reach
out, you will find wise mentors, councilors or
friends in your community who know, through their
own direct life experiences, skillful ways to heal
and wise ways to navigate the rough waters.
Practical life skills will be learned, gradually,
day by day, with incremental progress
and many setbacks.

Mature spiritual teachings will balance
any ultimate views with the unavoidable
requirements and responsibilities of ordinary,
daily living and relating.

The NDS Daily Digest can be a source of
inspiration and further exploration. Jerry offers
a variety of ‘nondual’ perspectives in his collations.
Gloria Lee is a very special woman who is especially
careful to balance various views, and include down
to earth, practical perspectives that re-humanize
perspectives that over-emphasize dehumanization.

Hopefully, other list members can point you to various
wise resources for your consideration. Resources that are
not mired in mere concepts, but grounded in down to earth
skillful methods.

I wish you all the very best.

JP

Awareness. Nonduality. Kiloby

January 2, 2010

Scott Kiloby writes on Open Awareness Study Group:

…this sentence is now being read. Now the previous sentence is gone and this sentence is now being read. Each of these sentences is presenting a point of view. If any of them are emphasized over the simple recognition of what is looking, any of them can become a subtle belief system. Our greatest viewpoints about awakening, as well as our scariest or worst, are all equal appearances of this space that is looking. We can attain a good conceptual understanding of non-duality. That can be helpful. And then we can see that it fades like your last breath just faded. In the death of that viewpoint, there is awareness, again, and again, and again. It’s this space that never leaves.

Deconstruction: Part Two – The Motives for Deconstruction

October 30, 2008

Deconstruction is the undoing, the “taking to pieces” of the false self or the sense of the separate self. Life itself deconstructs the sense of the separate self. At some point a person surrenders to what life gives and takes, and this is known as mellowing. Probably everyone experiences the effects of life’s deconstructive power, whether or not they are spiritual.

The teaching of nonduality calls for a deeper deconstruction, a deconstruction of the one who is mellow. If one has a spiritual practice, life can serve as the deconstructor. You do not need anyone to break down your “ego” or false self. Still, some people function as active deconstructors of the false self. You may meet them online, in person, in books.

Try to understand why a person is deconstructing. If there is a false self that is to be deconstructed, it doesn’t matter what the motive is. However, you may want to align yourself with a deconstructor whose motivation works for you.

People try to deconstruct the false self for any one or combination of the following reasons:

  • to demonstrate deconstruction
  • to teach deconstruction
  • to advertise their skill at deconstruction
  • to release their own stress
  • as a porcupine uses quills
  • to show-off their ability to deconstruct
  • to abuse or attack another person
  • to celebrate deconstruction
  • to deconstruct deconstruction
  • to help an individual, as in a guru/devotee, therapist/client, artist/audience relationship.
  • When one is living in the flow of nature, are they living with motives? Life is lived and actions are assigned motivations so that humanness might be understood.

    Deconstruction: Part One – Introduction

    October 26, 2008

    According to the Oxford English Dictionary, to deconstruct means “to undo the construction of, to take to pieces.” The OED defines deconstruction as “The action of undoing the construction of a thing.”

    Deconstruction, when used in nonduality, means the undoing of the false self, the undoing of what remains when the false self is undone, and the undoing of the undoing.

    What is the false self?

    The false self is the sense of not being enlightened, of being a struggling entity, of imprisonment, of not being free. It is the sense that you can break out and become free, the sense that you can take life by the horns and become a winner, an enlightened being, a success. The false self is all that and all it conjures up. If you come upon definitions of the false self they usually describe it as the sense of personal doership and of being a separate self.

    Hallmarks

    “Separation” is the hallmark of the false self. The hallmark of nonduality is nonseparation.

    Building edifices seriously

    Nonduality includes the building of edifices: the books, the teachings, the websites, the thousands of nonduality blogs, the conferences, the temples, the traditions and the rituals associated with them, are constructions. Lots of edifices. Their purpose is to contain and pass along the teaching of deconstruction of edifices. Like mandala paintings in sand, or sculptures made on the beach out of sand, the builders of these edifices know that what they are building is down, deconstructed, almost as soon as they are built. They work with seriousness while taking not a grain of their work seriously, that is, they work/play with joy. Joy, or play, is being serious while not taking anything seriously. Existence is called the play of consciousness. The work or play of nonduality is joy: doing things seriously while taking none of it seriously. Because, what is there to “take”? Only edifices are to be taken, and they are down, deconstructed, almost as they are built.

    I’ll continue this in Part Two with observations on the motives for deconstruction by people you meet in the world of nonduality.

    Recommended Nonduality Discussion Forums

    August 10, 2008

    Today I updated the page of online forums located at nonduality.com. About 75 are listed. Some, like Zaadz, are communities of forums.

    Here are some discussion forums for you to consider, with a short description of each one. They represent different qualities and intensities of discussion and they are all active:

    Advaitin – Serious and scholarly discussion of Advaita Vedanta.

    Allspirit – One of the oldest nonduality lists. “All are welcome to share their own writings, insight, understanding and also questions, as related to their spiritual path. Those who are on a dedicated spiritual path independent of any one school of thought will be at home here, and those who choose to follow one path as their way are also welcome.”

    Guru Ratings – “This group is intended to be a discussion area for issues that arise in the evaluation of masters and would-be masters, those who are in the business — commercial or otherwise — of improving our lives, especially, but not limited to, the spiritual aspect.” Recommended for people experienced with online nonduality communities.

    Live Journal Nonduality Community – “You have obviously come here because you wish to share with others your understanding of nonduality (advaita, etc), and gain from that contact and sharing in the friendly context of a community. All are welcome to join, whether they are new to this and want to learn, or have depth of understanding and realization, and wish to pass it on. Let us grow together.” (moderated by IAMOM). Best nonduality community for young people, although all are welcome.

    Meditation Society of America – “The Meditation Society of America’s goal is to share meditation methods from all traditions. This group is an opportunity to ask and answer questions about meditation and discuss experiences. If you gain greater Self Knowledge, inner peace and self control, it will have achieved its aim.”

    Nonduality Salon – Jerry Katz’s list. Active, well-moderated list on nonduality topics with no guru presiding or dominating. Since August, 1998.

    Now For You Forum – Bulletin board style forum with a very diverse and inviting approach.

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