The Nonduality Movement: Part Four

Hi Jerry,

I think with the advent of the internet, the overall scenario has indeed changed. If we think of it, some centuries ago, anyone interested in non-duality would have to search a living “teacher”, for most did not read or write. Till a few years ago, one had the option of reading books. But with internet, and mainly these forums, there is this opportunity to participate actively in a dynamic that was unavailable before. Where would I meet others to discuss these matters just a few years ago? Where would I be able to look more deeply into the hidden nature of the sense of ego that is revealed in these exchanges?
So…. this “new” environment certainly must make some difference. Or perhaps none, if it only leads to more entertainment to escape from the implosion.

The Feminist (Women’s) Movement changed consciousness even though many influenced by it didn’t bother to study academic papers or to read the significant books or attend meetings. The message of the Feminist Movement about equal rights hit home on everyday fronts: voting, pregnancy, the workplace, relationships, lifestyles, politics, ecology. The Feminist Movement is a model for giving structure to the nonduality movement, as far as looking at it in waves and describing each wave and looking at the movement in terms of scope, social change, and effects on religion, science, and other disciplines.

I see the Feminist, Eco-Feminist, and Nonduality Movements as merging more fully. But it would be helpful to define the Nonduality Movement so that it can more easily fit into these other movements. Ken Wilber has somewhat of a movement going with the Integral Institute and the Integral way of looking at things.

A person could ride the Nonduality Movement on the backs of Intergral Theory, or quantum theory, or neo-advaita, or Sufism, or as a Catholic monk, or as a new ager, or as nothing. Primarily, the message of nonduality becomes known, accepted, debated, refined, altered, and then one lives life with a deep and serious valuing of that message which can be worded in different ways.

My objective is to declare that there is a Nonduality Movement and to begin to describe it. People can see it, especially those who have been on the internet for a few years.

If I were creating a panel discussion on the topic of the Nonduality Movement, who would people like to see on it?

The Nonduality Movement: Part One
The Nonduality Movement: Part Two
The Nonduality Movement: Part Three

4 thoughts on “The Nonduality Movement: Part Four

  1. baskar

    Re: “If I were creating a panel discussion on the topic of the Nonduality Movement, who would people like to see on it?”

    Just ordinary people claiming no attainments, who go on with their life at whatever level they are in, and how the teachings of nonduality impact on what they come across in their daily, ordinary lives.


  2. ramesam

    The catchment of audience for a panel discussion on Non-duality, according to baskar’s suggestion: “Just ordinary people ……………… how it impacts …. their daily, ordinary lives.”

    I’ve just happened to read the following from Dr. A. Wood’s summary of Atmananda K. Menon’s teachings:

    “A disciple asked: Why was secrecy so strictly observed in expounding the Truth in the old shastras [texts]?

    Gurunathan: Evidently, for fear of jeopardizing established religion and society.

    Religion had no place except in duality and social life. It was the prime moving force
    of social life in ancient times. But the concept of religion could not stand the strict logic of vedantic Truth.

    The sages of old, who recognized the great need of religion in phenomenal life,
    expounded the ultimate Truth under a strict cover of secrecy, thus enabling religion to
    play its role in lower human society.

    But religion in the present day world has been dethroned in many ways, and ungodly cults have come into existence in large numbers. Therefore it is high time now to throw off the veil of secrecy, and broadcast the whole Truth in the face of the world which has already advanced much, intellectually.”

    If we leave out the last para, do we now get a hint who could be the target for Advaita?

    And if we take the last para, is it for the “advanced much intellectually” and not for ordinary chores of daily life of ordinary folk?


  3. baskar


    I find that the points raised by Sri Ramesam are valid, and may be, they have been discussed elsewhere.

    It is true that anything that is popularised becomes trivialised: everyone waters it down just a little bit more, and sooner or later, things becomes atrociously debased.

    But whereas in ancient times, these vedantic texts were transmitted only verbally, now we have written texts. Whichever way you pervert it, the original is not lost for us. We can always go back and reclaim the essence.

    So, we don’t need to keep advaita off the hands of the general public for fear of charlatans.

    And then, the issue whether nonduality will be the death of established religion. Again, we have religions fighting over believers, and much more than that, the religion of atheism is on the ascendancy. Are we to suppose that nonduality will make people of all faiths (including atheism) to give up their belief-systems and fall into anarchy and nihilism?

    I think, Krishnananda was talking about the ancient times- when the way of Smarthas or whatever, was the only faith with systemic establishment. Such fears have no relevance now.

    And then, is advaita open only to the intellectually advanced? If that were so, it will be the death of it. There is much to be said against the neo-advaitins, but we have to accept that they have made the essential grounds of non-dualism accessible for every one of us.

    There is much to be said on this, and I hope this discussion continues.




  4. goldenagebeyond

    Expansion of an interest in the non dual would be very hard to quantify by recourse to time-based estimates (let alone direct quantification)of any kind of internet usage because counting users in all kinds of internet-based knowledge-quests will show the same trends namely up.

    What else? Number of books (new titles)published? Better be quick about that because recent print-on-demand will confound the data.

    Numbers of those newly-enlightened per unit time starting prior to the birth of the internet till now? Maybe & subtract the numbers achieving parinirvarna to standardize the data?

    Anyway, to inject a personal note I know the supposed identity of the year in which I “fell-off” the Earth (without internet interaction) and can say that I puddled around with past-life meddling for a couple years before that. I retired (in shock)to a spiritual cave for 14 years thereafter but, I am out now? Strangely I have often wondered about the presence or absence of other non-entities that might also have disposed of themselves in the same period… & who might be asking such a question? Why no-one, no-one at all.


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