A Report from the Science and Nonduality Conference 2010

I spent four days at the Science and Nonduality Conference 2010 (SAND). You have no idea how good that feels when three people in one day tell you — in person — how much they love the Nonduality Highlights. It’s surreal because all our nonduality work in online. Thank you to those who took the time to express appreciation for the Highlights and to those who stopped to talk about other things. I value the presence of everyone. Please look me up at next year’s conference and stop to talk.

Maurizio and Zaya Benazzo pulled it together again. There was a great diversity of speakers and topics: Jeff Foster (a nice guy whose hair and wife I hope to steal some day), Scott Kiloby (so generous with his time), Rupert Spira (a man whose charm and talent are surpassed by only two people: his wife Ellen and mother Meriel, who were both present), Francis Lucille, Adyashanti, Robert Lanza, Larry Dossey, Drew Dellinger, Nassim Haramein.

Jay Michaelson (named by Forward as one of the 50 most influential Jews in America; I was named number 51, having just missed the cut. In any case, between the two us we couldn’t get the guy at the raw food concession to give us extra salsa, so to heck with being influential), Stanley Sobottka (who revealed for the first time in public his spiritual “story”), Peter Fenner (another guy with a beautiful wife; what’s that all about? I asked his wife if Peter uses his tremendous deconstructive skills to get out of doing the dishes. She said no.)

Zoran Josipovic, Peter Russell, Peter Baumann, A.H. Almaas, Puppetji (who is a youngish, good looking, funny guy), Jerry Katz (who is old, blah looking, and not funny), Jonathan Bricklin (the William James expert who has a cousin who once built a car in New Brunswick, Canada), Sheikha Ayshegul Ashki (who gave a stunning talk on Sufism seen by only a handful. What a woman. Look her up.)

Florian Schlosser, Prema Akasha (a cool woman, a fine performer, and creative director for Adyashanti.), Natalie Geld (see, I remembered you!), Ravi Ravindra (a world teacher who lives here in Halifax, Nova Scotia), Stephen LaBerge (the lucid dreaming guy; he was good), Chuck Hillig (long time partner in nondual crime and brilliant explicator of the nondual; fun sitting with Chuck and chatting; Chuck’s one of my peep).

Kenneth D. Johnson (a former bank robber and pimp sentenced to forty years in jail and awakened by Gangaji following initial contact with a supportive prison guard; Kenny received a standing ovation; great speaker.), Loibon Le Baaba (a man who has been initiated into 16 Shamanic traditions and who wears gigantic piercings, traditional clothing and goes barefoot; a man whose love fills the conference venue).

I also want to mention James Hebert whose film Awakening Itself was shown as the last event of the conference. It was very well received. After I send this email, I’ll think of other people, like Jon Bernie, who drives a hell of a Porsche, Peter Dziuban, Pamela Wilson, who is so entrancing I just wanted to sit there and watch her all day; primarily though she’s one heck of a smart nondualist. And Tami Simon who owns a small publishing company called Sounds True. What a gang! Add several hundred attendees who are just as interesting, and you have a rare gathering in which anything could happen. Oh yeah, Mark Scorelle who we’re always ripping off for Highlights material. It was great meeting you, Mark. And here I thought you were just a name in Gloria’s Highlights. Also Kurt Schmidt, David Kindschi, Sam Saddigh, John Troy and Trip. I can’t remember everyone. And of course Patrick Manigault.

Many attendees were very, very pleased with their experience. Some wanted a better organized experience. What is needed, it has become clear, is better organization, along with an orientation to the conference. The buzz is that the organization of next year’s SAND will be different. Details are being worked on right now.

Oh, I didn’t mention the experiential rooms, the music, the entertainment, the films, the raw food concession, the tea nooks where anyone could sit and enjoy free tea from a local tea shop. Those were teas rich, thick, and hearty. Or Prema Akasha’s mandala to which anyone could add a line, a squiggle, a circle, etc., until a beautiful mandala emerged, little by little. What did I forget?

There were many others. I haven’t mentioned everyone I met and spoke to, so I’m sorry if I missed you. Be assured that you made my day, every day. Again, thanks to Maurizio and Zaya Benazzo for putting together the conference. They are all about the love.

Go to http://scienceandnonduality.com for more info.

–Jerry Katz

Here are excerpts from Rupert Spira’s talk at the SAND 2010:

All we know is experience. Check that that is true for you. Have you ever known, do you know, or could you know anything other than experience? And whatever it is that knows experience intimately, utterly, pervades all experience equally. No part of experience is further from or closer to myself, whatever my self is, than any other part. In fact we don’t really know experience, we just know experiencing. And if we stay close to experiencing, we never find a separate self, object, other, or entity. We just find the pure intimacy of experiencing. There is no inside of experiencing, there is no outside of experiencing. … All experience takes place now. Check that for yourself. Can you move just a second away from now? … The past and the future are never experiences, they are concepts. That is, time is never an experience. Now is not a moment in time but is truly timeless or eternal. Experience takes place here. … Try to move just one millimeter away from here. … All experience is here. We never experience distance or space. … This locationless dimension which has no finite qualities (is) called here. … It is known by all of us. It is what we refer to when we speak of love. Love is absolute intimacy, immediacy, innocense of experience. It is not just the condition of our relationship with one or two special friends. It is the name we give to the fundamental condition of all experience. … The moon is only ever the sight of the moon. The sight of the moon is made only of seeing, as seeing takes place here, not there. The American poet e.e. cummings tried to describe this in this poem:

love is a place
& through this place of
love move
(with brightness of peace)
all places

yes is a world
& in this world of
yes live
(skilfully curled)
all worlds

So how is it that this absolute intimacy of experience, the lack of any distance, otherness, separation, or objectness of experience, which is the fundamental quality of all experience, how is it that it sometimes seems to be missing? … How does thought veil love? …

The separate entity never finds love; it dissolves, or dies, in love. This is in fact the only thing the separate entity ever truly seeks: it’s own death or disappearance. When the mind re-emerges again after this timeless experience of love about which it knows nothing, it recreates again the separate self in here and the separate other out there. And as we all know, before long the experience of love seems to be lost again, so again we go out in search of an object or an other that will deliver the experience of love.


5 thoughts on “A Report from the Science and Nonduality Conference 2010

  1. Zenrin

    “All we know is experience. Check that that is true for you. Have you ever known, do you know, or could you know anything other than experience?”

    Isn’t this pure tautology. He might as well say that all we experience is experience.

    And you know what? It works just as well to say that all we know is mind.

    This is just a variation on the old Idealism fallacy. To say that all we know is experience doesn’t prove that there is nothing outside of experience – it just proves it couldn’t be known IN experience. And no, that doesn’t amount to the same thing.

    “And if we stay close to experiencing, we never find a separate self, object, other, or entity. We just find the pure intimacy of experiencing.”

    Yes! This feels true. All there ever is is present conditions. But as we fall under deep sleep or under anesthetic, conditions change, experiencing (the mind matrix) dissolves. Under anesthetic there is no experience. Of course it does remain true that “all we know is experience”, but this is not the same as a claim that experience is all there is. Again, all it proves is that we cannot experience lack of experience.

    I suppose I should take this up with Rupert. šŸ™‚


  2. Ramesam

    This business of “Experiencing” as used by Rupert is something different from the normal sense of experiencing through the interfacing of sensory systems.

    But then, you never experience your own immunity system, the silent war that goes on between many microchemicals and microbes on one hand and your own antibodies. Does it mean that it does not exist? Similarly, you never experience your own “brain” – not as a given concept but as the neural electrical pulsing that goes on in the brain cells, whenter you think or just idle (Default Neural Network). Does it mean there is no brain in there in the head??

    Rupert uses “Experiencing” as equivalent to Consciousness – the very ability of the probe, the sensor, the detector element in a way – that never ends or stops and that which senses even time-space dimensions.


  3. AnkhAton

    “Know” . . is the wrong word.
    The best scientists say the more you “find” the less you know.

    Our mind can not know – ever.

    It’s just not equipped to know – it can read a book and remember some of it – or that you broke a leg. – Help you eat
    Throw a stone on the moon.

    Knowledge of importance is behind this Silence, today so much reported by the sincere seekers.
    Like in NDE you have to upgrade one dimension.
    It can be done by going through any of the 7 chakras.
    The lowest are not advisable.
    Many concentrate on the Heart Chakra, hence these paintings of Jesus with an open hart.

    The highest The Crown Chakra Yes. It’s the door Jesus said to knock on.
    The Silence before the storm is BEFORE coming near / entering there.

    Its the door where the two Cherubims do guarding. The door to Eden. – Take it symbolically as long as you can.

    Chakras don’t function well with URIC ACID in our blood – So you cannot eat meat – It gives cancer too –
    It’s a kind of firewall from God against the killers, sattvic / destruction minded.
    But they too can come rather close to the Silence which is also flabbergasting.

    Hence so many saying this – They didn’t look behind the curtain where the first flocks of knowledge are.

    I like to add that this knowledge, . . you will completely ignore when you entered for the right reason : LOVE.
    You will not have any place left in your head after the GIANT CRUSH on The Holy Ghost you will hear there.

    ankhaton on youtube
    see my favorite books there


  4. IamThat

    Who perceives the one who is experiencing? Even experience is part of the dream, its a play of consciousness. Chakras (low or high). The moonlight? The “inner light”? Who is perceiving this? Who is perceiving ‘Beingness’ even in deep sleep? Where does awakening start? Where does sleep begin? That which has no name, no beginning no end, that which is infinite and not coming and going like the players,concepts and appearances in the dream… It is before all of this. In this infinite stillness of being all experiences are seen, unnoticed and untouched… Can That be experienced? It is always Here and you are That.


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